Sometimes this is deliberate, allowing them to match their toy scale and/or be of a similar size to other characters; in other cases, it is essentially an artistic error. Since the size changing seen in the fiction is not possible for real toys (at least, that's what Takara wants us to think), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes. As with Transformers Universe MUX, the text of Transformers Wiki is available under the Creative Commons License. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D.-style arcologies) sized for 10 m (30') robots, Cybertron would still be less than 150km (100 miles) across, far smaller than even the smallest known (or even physically possible) dwarf planets. The list of authors can be seen in the page history. Just go with it. Similarly, Silverbolt (a Concorde jet) is dramatically undersized compared to his fighter-jet Aerialbot teammates. By using information fromVector Sigmadownloaded to theKey, Jack restores Optimus's memory. There's also Blackjack and Powerglide, both of whom are smaller than their teammates when the former should be the same size and the latter larger. In Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Metroplex is portrayed not so much as the city, but a part of the city; with one hand being large enough to carry Optimus or crush Megatron. A to-scale Starscream in robot mode could kick Bumblebee around like a soccer ball. Sometimes the cartoon would show ordinarily-scaled characters such as Cyclonus, Thrust or Huffer carrying another Transformer in their cockpit, implying either a tiny passenger or a huge vehicle. Revenge of the Fallen had scale guides featured in the 25 years of Transformers feature for the DVD release which showed official heights for both the Autobots and the Decepticons. This was first evident in the pre-Transformers days, with the various Diaclone mechs all coming with pilot figures that, if to scale with the cars, would probably be the size of hobbits. On occasion, characters are shown explicitly changing size when forming a Combiner. For example, Cosmos is much shorter than Blaster in robot form; yet Blaster easily fits within his spacecraft mode. Autobot scale chart for The Transformers: The Movie Chart of planets seen in The Movie relative to Earth Season 3 scale for Rodimus, Predaking, Trypticon and Metroplex Unicron compared to Jupiter, Metroplex next to the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge from Hobby Japan Seasons 1 & 2 scales published in The Ark The Headmasters cartoon Though jets are much larger than cars, they're drawn the same height so the battles appear fair (and also to make it easier to animate; blocking a shot where characters differ radically in height is difficult). Metrotitan, the Titan that ended up on Earth, was stated by military sources to be two miles tall. Some scale problems are for the sake of characterization. This is a family-friendly community for all things Transformers -- mostly the toys, but also the cartoons, movies, and comics. These visual cheats are of course done for the sake of narrative convenience and good storytelling, so we can't really begrudge the writers and artists for this.[2]. the Seekers to choose to get shorter when going into battle. Transformers are currently formalised to a variety of size classes, which dictate the approximate cost and dimensions of a figure. The final line in the trilogy, Kingdom introduced Beast Wars characters into the mix, which hoooo boy. Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://www.deviantart.com/kaijuattack877/art/Transformers-Evolution-Megatron-Size-Chart-742007022?comments_view=1. Characters with alternate modes that are not meant to be replicas of real-world things (or at least, close enough while being legally-distinct from said things) are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into futuristic or Cybertronian vehicles whose size we don't really know or, indeed, they don't transform into vehicles at all. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader Galvatron, whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus. Transformers: EarthSpark is an animated series that made its debut in November 2022 in support of the franchise of the same name.First announced on February 25, 2021, alongside Transformers: BotBots, the series was co-produced by Entertainment One and Nickelodeon Animation Studio, and features 3D CG animation by Icon Creative Studio.In the U.S., the first 10 half-hour episodes of the season . The Micromasters are about the same height in robot mode, but they transform into equally tiny cars, trucks, planes, tanks, and other vehicles that should be vastly different sizes. There's simply no positive evidence that size-changing is so widespread. Transformers fiction commonly shrinks or inflates characters, relative to their toy sizes. In Revenge of the Fallen, his size is based on the actual sizes of his components; the ROTF game inflates his overall scale to a far larger size. Mentally, on the other hand, he's very much less than the sum of his parts. Likewise, the Legends Class version of Revenge of the Fallen Arcee, a motorcycle, is more or less in scale with Deluxe-sized Autobots with car alternate modes. That said, most cinematic series within Transformers have official scale charts for creators to work with. Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. The Legends Class and its successor, the Legion Class (part of the Cyberverse range for a few years), allow Autobots with cars as their alternate modes to be roughly in scale with Deluxe or Voyager-sized Decepticons that turn into aircraft. The Marvel Generation 1 comic sidestepped this issue by depicting Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok as merely "large-standard" characters. Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise), Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Unicron: Jupiter-sized (so approximately 140,000km in diameter). This page was last modified on 8 April 2023, at 23:14. Template:Tabview Optimus Prime is the main character of Transformers: Prime and the official leader of the Autobots during the war on Cybertron, as well as the leader of Team Prime. In the case of the Headmaster figures, the Headmasters set a rather consistent scale to their toys, but one that raises a lot of questions. The Beast Machines' toyline was far worse in size discrepancies with the cartoon. However, the considerable and varied scale problems of Transformers still merit description. That said, the Stunticon molds don't scale well with anyone else bar Groove, and Silverbolt remains tiny; seemingly the only character in-scale with his mold is maybe Sky Lynx. Ultimately, Megatron manipulates the Autobots into destroying the project when he discoversPredakingis intelligent, and therefore a potential power rival. Of course, with much of the line now using Earth-based vehicle modes, those scale issues return. Though their toys are some of the larger G1 toys, correctly scaled, this would make their robot modes several times the height of most Autobots. "Giant" characters such as Omega Supreme are, even aside from any size changing for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. Of particular note, Wheeljack's Turbo Racer is based on a Ferrari Testarossa, and the Action Master Jackpot figure (a new character created specifically for the Action Masters lineup) sports kibble that indicates he once used to transform into a Ferrari Testarossa himself! Devastates them right in the mouth. There's also debate about whether Frenzy's head could compact itself into a slim mobile phone. The Autobots and Decepticons temporarily joined forces to retake Cybertron and prevent Earth's destruction, and with Starscream's help, they deactivated the Combaticons once they formed Bruticus through a failsafe device built into the treacherous giant's back. Megatron in The Last Knight is particularly confusing; while official sources state that there is only a two-foot height difference between Megatron and Optimus Prime, Megatron seems to tower over Prime in the shot where he steals Quintessa's staff, yet is almost exactly the same size as Optimus throughout the rest of the film. The Micromasters are explicitly downsized Transformers, roughly the size of a human in the comics, meaning that they should have explicitly tiny vehicle modes which wouldn't make for very convincing disguises. Master Blaster Without any height booster, Blackarachnia can interface well with these controls. Devastator is another serial offender, particularly given his frequent appearances in episodes animated by AKOM; his size ranges from shot to shot in "The Core" from being about twice as tall as Optimus to being so large that Prowl's head doesn't even come up to the top of his foot. The original G1 Optimus Prime toy also has scale issues. With the Human Alliance assortment, Hasbro have taken a different approach by trying to keep the vehicles in scale (roughly 1:24) and adding accessories and other characters that turn into motorcycles for smaller cars such as Jazz, Skids and Mudflap. Scorponok has a "human-sized" being forming his head. New and altered characters in later seasons were generally more consistent in size (and appearance) with the toys. [4] Thus, Optimal Optimus is ungodly tall in his first appearance, later reduced to perhaps two times the height of the rest of the cast. With fighter jet alternate modes, the Seekers should be among the largest everyday Transformers and would tower over their Autobot adversaries; instead, the animation depicts characters such as Thundercracker and Wheeljack as about the same height. vehicles forms G1 (1984) - Freightliner cabover RID (2001) - Hino Brandlier fire engine Armada (2002) - Semi-truck Cybertron (2005) - Futuristic fire truck/aircraft Tranformers - DOTM (2007 -11) - 1997 Peterbilt 379 semi-truck After the Decepticons kidnapRatchetto help in their plan, the Autobots assault theNemesisand capture the ship, killing Megatron before he can use the Omega Lock to cyberform Earth. Thus, in the context of Transformers, "city" is perhaps better read as "building" or "fortress". Published: Feb 3, 2015 56 Favourites 9.7K Views autobots bulkhead bumblebee optimusprime prowl ratchet tfasari tfatransformers This is a size+power chart of the main Autobots (+Sari). (Consisted of two Toys "R" Us exclusive Cybertron redecoes.) The early Generation 1 toy line, especially the pre-movie releases, were rebranded and redecoed toys from several different Japanese toy lines. Combiner characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Within the animation, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when shown directly interacting with their larger partners, are scaled up right along with their partner resulting in some temporarily gigantic Mini-Cons! Full-Tilt, Six-Gun, and Slammer must logically be building-sized in robot mode to be in-scale with Trypticon and Metroplex, but, again, are not drawn as such. Conversely, the Kmart exclusive Dark of the Moon "Autobot Daredevil Squad" multi-pack couples a redeco of the original Revenge of the Fallen version of Sam with a redeco of Revenge of the Fallen Deluxe Class Cannon Bumblebee, resulting in a large human with a small Chevrolet Camaro he couldn't possibly fit into even if the Bumblebee toy had its crude interior redesigned to house a driver. Really teeny passengers (notable exceptions are Grindor (in his original body), Sureshock, and High Wire, who become small one-man conveyances). Even Omega Supreme, who is supposed to be huge, would have to have a greatly expanded scale for his rocket ship component to accommodate passengers as shown on the cartoon. In the case of Blackout, his huge alternate mode simply results in a hulking, towering robot mode. The Combiner Wars releases of the classic crews made varying efforts to avoid this. IDW's original continuity frequently took liberties with scale as well: notably, Cosmos is consistently drawn positively huge in robot mode when standing side by side with his fellow Autobots while appearing as a regular member of the (background) cast in More than Meets the Eye, but as soon as he transfers over into the sister title Robots in Disguise, his size is considerably scaled down a bit (although he's still a few heads taller than the average Autobot). Octane's original body transforms from a 20-meter (60-foot) tanker truck into a 65-meter (200-foot) jumbo jet. An "earth mover"-type dump truck that should be about the same size as the excavator forms one tiny leg, while the other leg is formed by a bulldozer that should be slightly smaller. Even aside from their deformed penny-racer proportions, a Porsche 924 Micro Change toy is disproportionately tiny when compared to a Porsche 935 Diaclone toy. This is also assuming Bumblebee's AOE height at 18 feet. In the ensuing confrontation, Silas is fatally injured, forcing MECH to graft him into Breakdown. (Weirdly, the King Kong-like size of this toy became canon in one specific micro-continuity. The movie universe characters aren't immune to scale issues, either; the Dinobots are way out of proportion compared to their real-life counterparts; such as Strafe (who is far too big for a Pteranodon compared to his allies), and Scorn (who isn't quite as problematic; though a real Spinosaurus had shorter legs, making his proportions more of an issue than actual scale). Privacy Policy. The Revenge of the Fallen "Shanghai Showdown" multi-pack with Demolishor's Voyager-sized toy and the ice cream truck versions of Skids and Mudflap (whose combined alternate mode is Deluxe-sized) is closer, but truly scale-accurate multi-packs like the (unreleased) Transformers (2010) "Sideways Sneak Attack" pack with a Deluxe-sized Sideways (who transforms into a car) and the aforementioned Legends Class version of Arcee and two redecos of hers as Chromia and Elita-1 are rare exceptions. A screenshot of both of them together could be available from Predatory. The Animated franchise has its share of scale problems when comparing its toyline to the cartoon (not helped by multiple releases of some characters in different sizessee above), with several characters seeming roughly one size class too small, such as the Dinobots being a mix of one Voyager size and two Deluxes, Sentinel Prime looking rather diminutive as a Deluxe, and, most egregiously, Lugnut as a very squat Voyager who's shorter than even some Deluxes (as with Voyager-class Bulkhead, more of his mass went into his width, plus his weapon takes away some from his robot mode). However, thanks to the scaling up of the arthropod characters, it is relatively safe to assume that the Transformers generally scanned only animal forms and then rescaled them to fit their own size - additionally, they were not so much attempting to disguise themselves, as to protect themselves from an excess of Energon. There is no explanation for any of this. When the Decepticons resurface, the Autobots take three child witnesses,Jack Darby,Miko Nakadai, andRaf Esquivelunder their protection. The height of the cartoon's Skyfire, just to name one, frequently varied between episodes. A single Transformer's size is rarely consistent between artists. For example, Movie Jazz's Pontiac Solstice alternate mode is a tiny car, and any size class that includes both him and Bumblebee (a Chevrolet Camaro) will result in scale problems between the toys. Scale can even be inconsistent within the same story thanks to changing artists: In the Marvel UK story "Ladies' Night", a ginormous Swindle picks up a tiiiiny military Jeep with one hand, implying that he grew to humongous proportions when he transformed (as his alternate mode is also depicted as a Jeep in fiction), but in the second part of the story, Swindle is hit by a burning Jeep (possibly even the same one) that is now in scale with his robot mode. So either Fortress Maximus is supposed to tower over Scorponok, or Zarak grows in size during his transformation into Scorponok's head. Transformers: Prime is a multiple Daytime Emmy Award-winning CGI-animated television series that premiered on The Hub on November 26, 2010 with a five-part mini-series, which was followed by a full season beginning on February 11, 2011. A Blast Off (Space Shuttle) toy in scale with the Alternators toys would be 1.6 meters (5.1 feet) long, while a Broadside (aircraft carrier) toy at that scale would be over 12 meters (40 feet)! This would repeat itself with the "Human Alliance" toys for Revenge of the Fallen: The cars/robots are all roughly the right size compared to each other (Skids and Mudflap are even smaller, squatter toys and come with sub-Scout-sized motorcycle and robots to make up for it), but their human drivers are all too small (amusingly, Frenzy seems to be about right). Conversely, Bumblebee is sometimes shown only a few feet taller than an average human, while in reality he would be 35 m (10'15') tall (the Marvel comic actually states he's 15' tall Plight of the Bumblebee!). Cheetor and Tigatron are shown standing next to real members of their species, and they are both the same size as the animals in question. Archived post. This often results in minuscule vehicle forms; Seaspray is a tiny hovercraft, despite being covered with doors and windows. Another criticism had been made towards the lack of weight given to character deaths beyond Cliffjumper, usually resulting in anticlimax. Where would we keep it? Fan Art. In toy form, Lockdown's small alternate mode means you can either set his Deluxe-sized toy against a Voyager-or-smaller Prime for correct robot mode scale, or against a Leader-sized Prime toy for correct vehicle mode scale - but obviously not both! Although the Beast Warriors are consistent day-to-day in their relative size to each other (a consistency made more easy to achieve thanks to CGI used to animate), their scale in relation to their real-world animal equivalents is more complex. Devastator is a Decepticon combiner from the Generation 1 continuity family. That these toys represent hyper-evolved beings most of the time make it all the more head-scratch-inducing. This is a visual cheat so the glasses are visible to the audience, and other visual cheats to make the robots seem shorter or taller were used in the movies. Originally, the intent was apparently to make the popular Optimus and Megatron characters available at lower price points than just the large and expensive "Leader" class, so that children with less money would not miss out, and perhaps persuading completist-minded collectors to buy multiple versions of one character. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Kirk Van Wormer, storyboard art for "Nemesis Prime". Numerous characters are explicitly shown to shrink or expand at various times. However, that presents problems with some characters, such as Sideways (motorcycle) being the same size as Thrust (jet), especially if you assume Mirror is meant to be the size of a human. . Yet when Skywatch discovers Laserbeak at the end of the story, his head alone is suddenly the size of an adult human. Clearly, the pitiful humans at Hasbro are so overwhelmed by the awesomeness of Cybertronian life forms that they can't get the scale right. Among other changes, Blast Off's initial release was a significantly smaller jet, Swindle's tiny steering wheel suggests him to be around the same size as Brawl, Long Haul is significantly bigger than his team, and Groove is a much smaller Legends Class figure, while newcomer Rook takes his place as one of Defensor's limbs. are used in official product descriptions and press releases, and have since been adopted by the fandom. Alternity would follow in Alternators's footsteps with a series of smaller 1:32-scale licensed cars as well as stuffing characters who traditionally don't have automobile alternate modes into modern-day civilian vehicles. Thus, Bumblebee comes up to Wheeljack's waist, which is show-accurate, but results in Bumblebee turning into a very small Volkswagen Beetle; were vehicle mode scale used, Bumblebee would actually be slightly larger. Scale in Transformers is screwed up beyond belief. . When fighting Bumblebee, there are a few quick frames that offer a nearly side by side comparison. The crucial point is that the toy lines were initially unrelated. Height Chart | Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP OOC Fun stuff Height Chart Members Search We are a literate, intermediate to advanced AU Transformers RPG Based off of the first season of TFP with dashes of other incarnations sprinkled here or there. report. His new Camaro is roughly the same size as past Camaro cars he was . After a few months (on and off) going through resource material OLD scale charts from Japan (both G1 and Masterforce/Victory), EVERY EPISODE from G1's More than Meets the Eye to Zone to the Manga of Battlestars this is as exhaustive as it gets! Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Bountyan, Oct 23, 2011. Unfortunately, for practical reasons this limited the choice of altmodes. Likewise, the Beast Era Maximals and Predacons possess roughly human-size bodies; yet when portrayed as vehicles on Cybertron ("Dawn of Future's Past", the Vehicons in Beast Machines), they feature seats and cockpits that, at their size, should be basically useless. A few characters have "city" alternate modes. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Jason Park, background design for "Orion Pax, Part 3". The Legends Class version of Devastator only adds another dump truck for the torso, which doesn't really improve things since all the individual components are still more or less the same size. Something's off about Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Wheeljack. In both cases, part of the gimmick is the interchangeability of their accessories, who represent whole characters in their own right, suggesting the toys are indeed meant to have some kind of scaling with each other. After Megatron's revival, Starscream flees after showing he is unable to prove his loyalty to theDecepticon leader. Since for the majority of his presence on the show he is a loyal servant of Megatron, this was likely intentionally fudged so that he could have scenes inside the Nemesis, which is also where one of his biggest and most plot-important fight scenes takes place. The cartoons and comics typically show this without explanation, leaving the audience to attribute it to advanced alien technology. Starting with Beast Machines, many franchises have released multiple versions of the same character in different size classes, most often the leader characters. (And they were never gonna make a properly screen-accurate-scale Scavenger, though a Commander Class figure was in the works, but was canned, bummer.). Despite this guide, the series writers have indicated some measure of disregard for relative scale when it suited the needs of dramatic tension. Optimus Primeunleashes theMatrix of Leadership, but at the cost of losing his memory, thereby allowing Megatron to manipulate him into joining the Decepticons' ranks. Please check this timestamped video for further clarification: https://youtu.be/VKs7jisImJE?t=305. Posted by 6 days ago. This concept is lampshaded in the credits of War for Cybertron, where Bumblebee pulls up, and the entire Autobot cast of the game step out of his passenger door, clown car style. Team Primelives onEarth, three years after their last confrontation withDecepticons. The Marvel comics commonly sidestepped this issue by not using Transformers as transport characters, or else requiring the passengers to transform into their explicitly smaller forms to be carried. Ravage-Cassette tape. If one takes James Robert's measurements into account (but then, the Lost Light has its own fair share of scaling problems), this would make him and some of the other Titans approximately 15 miles high in robot mode taller than Manhattan Island is long! In a related vein, sometimes Transformers are able to enter human buildings, fitting through their doors and running up their staircases without crashing through. Based on this: I'd put Tailgate and the other minicons around 15 feet tall, which is still huge in comparison to a human. For example, Optimus Prime can hold both Sam and Mikaela in one hand. The depiction of Unicron's scale in Armada was (debatably) a slight improvement, in that physical interaction with normal beings was not attempted. In the video game Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Bruticus towers at least ten times as tall as any Protectobot, crushing them under his feet. 5. It also creates issues since most incarnations of Headmasters are shown as interchangeable, suggesting that the toys are indeed meant to be about the same size, even if one is a car and the other is a dual-rotor copter. This could all be totally wrong and I still have no idea how tall characters like Brainstorm and Rodimus are EDIT: E.g., Blaster's toy, in robot mode, is taller than most other Transformers. The other explanation is that the artists hoped the audience wouldn't notice. Here's is an unoffical Height chart of the famous Robot in Disguise From left to right, Here are his alt. The Alternators toyline, where every toy is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car, and thus in perfect scale with each other, was the first to buck the trend. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give his robot mode show-accurate proportions. However, the term is not used, as one might assume, to refer to the size ratio between different characters and their surroundings, but to refer to size classes. In recent years, the "collector-aimed" mass-retail lines have made attempts to stick to an internally consistent scale (while still adhering to price points), largely based on the characters' robot mode depictions in media. He's drawn small because he's a human-friendly character, and a junior member of the Autobots. The biggest case by far is Unicron. For example, the original Air Raid transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of the original Starscream's. Many Transformers are portrayed in fiction as having alternate modes that are smaller than the real-life objects they are imitating. Some Transformers are smaller than solid blocks of the mass contained in their alt-modes: Unicron would have to be about as thick as the Earth's crust while in planetary form, and Optimus Prime would probably be blown away by a stiff breeze in his larger incarnations. Did Devastator shrink? Non-show characters such as Spinister used other media, namely IDW Publishing. There's also no known reason for e.g. Meanwhile, the beast Core toys do not adhere to any scale besides being smaller than the rest of the cast. I recall reading years ago that Bayverse Optimus stood at somewhere between 28' - 32' tall, and that Bayverse Megatron stood supposedly at 35' feet tall (according to magazine articles and TFWiki). Even a two mode toy can have this problem. Other Titans, such as the numerous dead Titans on Luna 1 or Chela, seem to be smaller, roughly the size of a single large building.
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